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03-17 09:49 AM
If that link does not work for you, go to the Library of Congress - http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search for bill number S2454
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GC08
06-02 05:07 PM
This sounds unfair. Because of the backlogs, you have waited 6 years. Now you got laid off and you lost everything. Would that be the situation if there was no backlog and you were able to get your green card within, say 2 or 4 years?
I think those government agencies should take responsibilities and compensate for your loss.
Anyone thought about that?
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I think those government agencies should take responsibilities and compensate for your loss.
Anyone thought about that?
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go_guy123
08-20 11:12 AM
Note that list of occupations changes constantly. I lived in Canada for 20 years after coming as PR on point system. It works well there, if you think money is not everything. Education is equally good. People, of course are far nicer and friendlier. Even border immigration and custom staff show a friendly face and attitude..
Actually the list of occupations was added from Feb 2008. Prior to that any skilled occupation based on NOC code was eligible.
The main immigration bill was in 2002 called IRPA. What it did was give the rule making authority to the executive branch from the legislative branch. So unlike US, after 2002 IRPA rule in Canada, if there is need to change the rule (eg add occupation list) it does not need the legislature to pass the rule change.
On the whole rules have been tightened. The main problem was that more people were eligible and applied than the annual quota. Now they have pretty much restricted to people who have studied or worked in Canad or belonging to skilled trade occupations.
Actually the list of occupations was added from Feb 2008. Prior to that any skilled occupation based on NOC code was eligible.
The main immigration bill was in 2002 called IRPA. What it did was give the rule making authority to the executive branch from the legislative branch. So unlike US, after 2002 IRPA rule in Canada, if there is need to change the rule (eg add occupation list) it does not need the legislature to pass the rule change.
On the whole rules have been tightened. The main problem was that more people were eligible and applied than the annual quota. Now they have pretty much restricted to people who have studied or worked in Canad or belonging to skilled trade occupations.
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walking_dude
10-17 10:17 AM
Bestin,
I agree we do spend a lot on the GC process. It's painful to watch the inefficiency of USCIS after paying so much. How much ever we paid for GC process, India trip etc., are unlikely to buy us any sympathy from the Law makers.
We could get asked questions such as 'if it's so expensive and inefficient why did you apply for it?' and 'why do you guys need to fly to India every year?'. People are interested in only the figures that affect them directly . That's life!
We can, for sure, catch their attention if we can show them in real figures how much Federal and State Taxes, SSN , Medicare etc. we have paid as a group. Are these figures avaible today? Forget about how much we are paying to the US economy - is there any real figures available on how many EB GC applicants are in Michigan?
Answer is 'NO'
We need to collect and collate these figures. Present them to the Lawmakers and Media to make our case. I have an idea about it. I will be proposing at the meet to gather others opinions. Once we have an internal agreement and a solid plan, we can propose it to the Core for their sanction.
Lets Do It Together
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Just consider howmuch we spent on GC filing?I personally had to spend for filing and attorney and medical approx 7000$ (ya i had to use my company attorney as my labour was approved in last time).If atleast 200000 people did spend atleast 5000 ,then see how much we spent .Atleast 1000,000,000 dollars inside America during June to August 07 out of which atleast 50% to USCIS for something which MAY OR MAYNOT happen after years.And again a confirmed money 1500-2500 dollars every year for attorney+uscis fee for EAD and AP.The figure which i mentioned is just for an example,the actual figure might be twice.
In addition we spend on travel .A typical Indian Trip for a family of 4 would cost atleast $5000 on Air.If these taxes are considered see how much we contribute.And yes we pay for SSN,medicare for americans to enjoy at florida after 60.
......
Yes WD,we will make Michigan a role model.
Thanks for your snacks CC !!!!!. Looking forward to meet u guys .
I agree we do spend a lot on the GC process. It's painful to watch the inefficiency of USCIS after paying so much. How much ever we paid for GC process, India trip etc., are unlikely to buy us any sympathy from the Law makers.
We could get asked questions such as 'if it's so expensive and inefficient why did you apply for it?' and 'why do you guys need to fly to India every year?'. People are interested in only the figures that affect them directly . That's life!
We can, for sure, catch their attention if we can show them in real figures how much Federal and State Taxes, SSN , Medicare etc. we have paid as a group. Are these figures avaible today? Forget about how much we are paying to the US economy - is there any real figures available on how many EB GC applicants are in Michigan?
Answer is 'NO'
We need to collect and collate these figures. Present them to the Lawmakers and Media to make our case. I have an idea about it. I will be proposing at the meet to gather others opinions. Once we have an internal agreement and a solid plan, we can propose it to the Core for their sanction.
Lets Do It Together
.....
Just consider howmuch we spent on GC filing?I personally had to spend for filing and attorney and medical approx 7000$ (ya i had to use my company attorney as my labour was approved in last time).If atleast 200000 people did spend atleast 5000 ,then see how much we spent .Atleast 1000,000,000 dollars inside America during June to August 07 out of which atleast 50% to USCIS for something which MAY OR MAYNOT happen after years.And again a confirmed money 1500-2500 dollars every year for attorney+uscis fee for EAD and AP.The figure which i mentioned is just for an example,the actual figure might be twice.
In addition we spend on travel .A typical Indian Trip for a family of 4 would cost atleast $5000 on Air.If these taxes are considered see how much we contribute.And yes we pay for SSN,medicare for americans to enjoy at florida after 60.
......
Yes WD,we will make Michigan a role model.
Thanks for your snacks CC !!!!!. Looking forward to meet u guys .
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pitha
06-09 05:12 PM
Because of the country quota what you have said below is applicable to only people from India, because of the tremendous competition from Indian applicatants you would need the highest points , ms or phd, 5 years experience, employer sponsorship, and also relatives, but if you are from non Indian countries then you will easily get it because there is not much if any competition.
For example people from India might need 90+ points to have any chance but people from other countries might need just 60 points to get in. This is not merit based system, it is Kennedy Diversity Visa disguised as merit system.
I have one question regarding your view. Actually point system gives points to the US experience and employer sponsorship. Because of limited number of greencards Those who are not having both of this may not be able to get green card. If you give your calculation everyone will get clear about. I think MS with 5 year US experience will get more points than fresh Phd. That serves the purpose. If that is the case then only eligible people will get gc.
For example people from India might need 90+ points to have any chance but people from other countries might need just 60 points to get in. This is not merit based system, it is Kennedy Diversity Visa disguised as merit system.
I have one question regarding your view. Actually point system gives points to the US experience and employer sponsorship. Because of limited number of greencards Those who are not having both of this may not be able to get green card. If you give your calculation everyone will get clear about. I think MS with 5 year US experience will get more points than fresh Phd. That serves the purpose. If that is the case then only eligible people will get gc.
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07-14 03:54 PM
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bfadlia
01-13 04:42 PM
you are half right, the country quota laws were put much earlier than the off shoring companies, but remember that the retrogression only started in the last 10 years when those companies came in the picture and skewed the lines .. that's ur cause and effect!
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
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GCard_Dream
12-04 03:18 PM
Or why not cover both aspects of H visa (H1 & H4). Both visas come with their own set of problems, challenges, and disappointments for the visa holders. Besides, H1 and H4 go hand in hand and story on one is not complete without mentioning the other. If I were the film maker, I would seriously consider both.
If you only talk about either one of these visas by themselves, you'll be looking at only the half of the picture.
have you considered making a film on H-1b workers and their frustrations in the gc porcess? that might be even more compelling than H-4 workers.
In a sense, H-1b holders are also dependent, on the employer, who is merciless compared with the the H-1 holder on whom the H-4 is dependent.
If you only talk about either one of these visas by themselves, you'll be looking at only the half of the picture.
have you considered making a film on H-1b workers and their frustrations in the gc porcess? that might be even more compelling than H-4 workers.
In a sense, H-1b holders are also dependent, on the employer, who is merciless compared with the the H-1 holder on whom the H-4 is dependent.
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hopefull
06-08 08:03 PM
CIR is going to be back for sure no doubt about it and when it comes back it is going to be the same bill. Harrry Reid is just creating a drama so that he can reduce the number of amendments introduced by the republicans. There are currently more than 30 to 40 amendments remaining, with this drama harry reid is trying to reduce the amendments to about 5 or 6 more amendments.
We should try something like applying for 485 without priority date but even the cantwell cornyn amendment does not have this provision
Has anyone tested it by fluke. What happens if we apply? Have the papers been sent back???? Maybe they ll overlook the date and it might get thru..if I had a i140 approved I would have definitely given it a shot..
We should try something like applying for 485 without priority date but even the cantwell cornyn amendment does not have this provision
Has anyone tested it by fluke. What happens if we apply? Have the papers been sent back???? Maybe they ll overlook the date and it might get thru..if I had a i140 approved I would have definitely given it a shot..
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trishanku
02-26 01:10 PM
Me and my wife have sent letters to president, house rep. and senators. Will try to get some friends to send the letters.
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03-26 12:38 PM
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The Indian CRAB is the story of how a fisherman kept a basket with crabs, uncovered. When asked, he replied " They’re Indian Crabs - If one tries to climb out, the others will pull it back in, hence there’s no need for a lid "
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The Indian CRAB - Contribute - MSNIndia (http://content.msn.co.in/MSNContribute/Story.aspx?PageID=222e21f3-f981-4a9c-9f9b-a5706f249433)
Please remove the link to this crab crap.
Jealousy is a human personality trait. It's present in people of other countries too.
It's ridiculous to attribute this trait only to Indians.
On a side note:
How do you decide the nationality of the crabs? Do they have passports??
Don't just copy paste something an imbecile moron wrote and forward to ur friends and colleagues demeaning yourself and fellow Indians.
Think think think......
The Indian CRAB is the story of how a fisherman kept a basket with crabs, uncovered. When asked, he replied " They’re Indian Crabs - If one tries to climb out, the others will pull it back in, hence there’s no need for a lid "
***
The Indian CRAB - Contribute - MSNIndia (http://content.msn.co.in/MSNContribute/Story.aspx?PageID=222e21f3-f981-4a9c-9f9b-a5706f249433)
Please remove the link to this crab crap.
Jealousy is a human personality trait. It's present in people of other countries too.
It's ridiculous to attribute this trait only to Indians.
On a side note:
How do you decide the nationality of the crabs? Do they have passports??
Don't just copy paste something an imbecile moron wrote and forward to ur friends and colleagues demeaning yourself and fellow Indians.
Think think think......
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GC_ASP
07-18 07:41 AM
You can file 485 even without the I-140 receipt number. You need to include a cover letter with your details. Also, include the copy of your labor certification with it. You can get more details here.
http://www.immigration.com/fromtheagency/nsc112006.html
http://www.immigration.com/fromtheagency/nsc112006.html
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amsgc
08-19 03:32 PM
Thank you for the clarification.
The fact that you have come here to share your experience and give some insight tells us that you probably care (about Fragomen and its clients). Please stick around, and update your details on IV.
Thanks.
Fragomen employees are told they represent the company. The company is their client. They are a corporate law firm. There are instances when the law firm represents you, the foreign national. Usually this is when you are applying via a marriage based case, or are in the final green card process and it has reached portability. There is information that law firms cannot release to you as some information requested belongs to the client, and they must receive authorization from the client. Yes, I used to work for Fragomen, before anyone wants to assume anything. I was a paralegal and worked hard for every case that was given into my hands. I specialized in the green card process and made sure I responded to every foreign national as quickly as I can. Please understand that paralegals and legal assistants are subject to the attorneys they work for. Therefore, some questions you may ask require an attorney to respond, and the paralegal or legal assistant's delay may be in trying to get the answer you require. I know not all Fragomen offices work the same. Not all will respond to you in the same manner. Some may be worse than others. So if you are going to defame Fragomen, would you please try to specify which office you are referring to?
I have read through all the posts on this thread and I know some of you have positive experiences, while others have had very negative experiences. To those of you who have had negative experiences, I am sorry that your case went to someone who only looked at their work as a job. For me, each one of my foreign nationals were special cases, each required as much care and concern that I could give them. None of my cases were ever denied. I wish you all the best in this process. I know it is a long and, many times, frustrating process, especially with countless delays due to either the law firm, your company, or the government.
And for the person who had asked about the prevailing wage, it comes from the state employment department, not the federal government. Some offices work faster than others. When a prevailing wage comes back higher than what you are making, the law firm then has to go back to the employer to find a resolution, which can mean either an increase in the salary once you have received the green card, or confirmation that is what you will be making at that time, or a reduction in the requirements, which can sometimes take a case from EB2 to the EB3 visa category.
The fact that you have come here to share your experience and give some insight tells us that you probably care (about Fragomen and its clients). Please stick around, and update your details on IV.
Thanks.
Fragomen employees are told they represent the company. The company is their client. They are a corporate law firm. There are instances when the law firm represents you, the foreign national. Usually this is when you are applying via a marriage based case, or are in the final green card process and it has reached portability. There is information that law firms cannot release to you as some information requested belongs to the client, and they must receive authorization from the client. Yes, I used to work for Fragomen, before anyone wants to assume anything. I was a paralegal and worked hard for every case that was given into my hands. I specialized in the green card process and made sure I responded to every foreign national as quickly as I can. Please understand that paralegals and legal assistants are subject to the attorneys they work for. Therefore, some questions you may ask require an attorney to respond, and the paralegal or legal assistant's delay may be in trying to get the answer you require. I know not all Fragomen offices work the same. Not all will respond to you in the same manner. Some may be worse than others. So if you are going to defame Fragomen, would you please try to specify which office you are referring to?
I have read through all the posts on this thread and I know some of you have positive experiences, while others have had very negative experiences. To those of you who have had negative experiences, I am sorry that your case went to someone who only looked at their work as a job. For me, each one of my foreign nationals were special cases, each required as much care and concern that I could give them. None of my cases were ever denied. I wish you all the best in this process. I know it is a long and, many times, frustrating process, especially with countless delays due to either the law firm, your company, or the government.
And for the person who had asked about the prevailing wage, it comes from the state employment department, not the federal government. Some offices work faster than others. When a prevailing wage comes back higher than what you are making, the law firm then has to go back to the employer to find a resolution, which can mean either an increase in the salary once you have received the green card, or confirmation that is what you will be making at that time, or a reduction in the requirements, which can sometimes take a case from EB2 to the EB3 visa category.
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pappu
01-13 01:57 PM
desi9333 thanks for the link. Nice one - even though it covers only Hiring practices, and not opportunities for promotions and progression.
The "Opportunity" usage has been explained much beyond Hiring in the other laws and related documents. Hence, an employee who subsequently faces discrimination because he/she cannot progress or misses on job advancements due to Visa limit restrictions is certainly being discriminated against.
Its my view and others can differ. I respect all opinions and am thankful to all because it helps improve my reasoning, mutual respect and tolerance abilities.
Back to the subject,
My earlier post on first page this thread has some action items - can anyone here take the lead and convince an attorney to take up the cause?
My cheque shall be sent as soon as the ball gets rolling.
The aim is not to convince an attorney. You can file a lawsuit for any reason and fight it. But the question is - Is the case strong enough?
In this case the case is not strong. IV has access to best attorneys and we have had discussions on this as well. The best way to change country limits discrimination is by changing the law.
The "Opportunity" usage has been explained much beyond Hiring in the other laws and related documents. Hence, an employee who subsequently faces discrimination because he/she cannot progress or misses on job advancements due to Visa limit restrictions is certainly being discriminated against.
Its my view and others can differ. I respect all opinions and am thankful to all because it helps improve my reasoning, mutual respect and tolerance abilities.
Back to the subject,
My earlier post on first page this thread has some action items - can anyone here take the lead and convince an attorney to take up the cause?
My cheque shall be sent as soon as the ball gets rolling.
The aim is not to convince an attorney. You can file a lawsuit for any reason and fight it. But the question is - Is the case strong enough?
In this case the case is not strong. IV has access to best attorneys and we have had discussions on this as well. The best way to change country limits discrimination is by changing the law.
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stucklabor
03-17 07:26 PM
Piyushpan, I see this provision as:
1. If you have an advanced degree from the US after the bill is passed
2. If you are smart enough for EB1 self-sponsorship OR can find an employer to sponsor you as Eb1 or Eb2
3. Either way, you need to go through I140.
4. Then you can file for Adjustment of Status, either concurrently, or after the 140.
I am not sure if you will still be subject to the numerical quota, or if you have to go through labor cert..
I think the intent of the provision is that this category of people not be subject to labor certification, but there is no language in the bill that says that.
Hi,
Based on the summary if you re-look at the student visa section of Bill Frist's bill
`(2) STUDENT VISAS- Notwithstanding the requirement under paragraph (1)(C), an alien may file an application for adjustment of status under this section if--
`(A) the alien has been issued a visa or otherwise provided nonimmigrant status under section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv), or would have qualified for such nonimmigrant status if section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv) had been enacted before such alien's graduation;
`(B) the alien has earned an advanced degree in the sciences, technology, engineering, or mathematics;
`(C) the alien is the beneficiary of a petition filed under subparagraph (E) or (F) of section 204(a)(1); and
`(D) a fee of $1,000 is remitted to the Secretary on behalf of the alien.
`(3) LIMITATION- An application for adjustment of status filed under this section may not be approved until an immigrant visa number becomes available.'.
What this really means is a masters student can adjust to immigrant visa status although his visa application will get approved only when the visa is available. If i have understood this correctly this means that this is similar to the S-1932 provision wherein you can adjust your status although approval will happen only when immigrant visa is available.(provided one is masters)
Or have i got this wrong?
Comments? If i am interpreting this correctly it is another big boost for people who have either not worked 3 yrs as yet on H1B or have a masters degree unrelated to the profession they are working in.
1. If you have an advanced degree from the US after the bill is passed
2. If you are smart enough for EB1 self-sponsorship OR can find an employer to sponsor you as Eb1 or Eb2
3. Either way, you need to go through I140.
4. Then you can file for Adjustment of Status, either concurrently, or after the 140.
I am not sure if you will still be subject to the numerical quota, or if you have to go through labor cert..
I think the intent of the provision is that this category of people not be subject to labor certification, but there is no language in the bill that says that.
Hi,
Based on the summary if you re-look at the student visa section of Bill Frist's bill
`(2) STUDENT VISAS- Notwithstanding the requirement under paragraph (1)(C), an alien may file an application for adjustment of status under this section if--
`(A) the alien has been issued a visa or otherwise provided nonimmigrant status under section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv), or would have qualified for such nonimmigrant status if section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv) had been enacted before such alien's graduation;
`(B) the alien has earned an advanced degree in the sciences, technology, engineering, or mathematics;
`(C) the alien is the beneficiary of a petition filed under subparagraph (E) or (F) of section 204(a)(1); and
`(D) a fee of $1,000 is remitted to the Secretary on behalf of the alien.
`(3) LIMITATION- An application for adjustment of status filed under this section may not be approved until an immigrant visa number becomes available.'.
What this really means is a masters student can adjust to immigrant visa status although his visa application will get approved only when the visa is available. If i have understood this correctly this means that this is similar to the S-1932 provision wherein you can adjust your status although approval will happen only when immigrant visa is available.(provided one is masters)
Or have i got this wrong?
Comments? If i am interpreting this correctly it is another big boost for people who have either not worked 3 yrs as yet on H1B or have a masters degree unrelated to the profession they are working in.
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03-28 03:02 PM
Please Donate to IV Advocacy or particpiate in the Advocacy in person. Thsi si for your own benefit and you are working for your own green card
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07-01 06:39 PM
My law firm, Greenberg Traurig has been good too. Their immigration practice worked extremely hard to get the applications in-flight on Saturday. May be bcose they did not have 1000s of cases like other immigration law firms.
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Okie
10-29 02:33 PM
I currently have an L1 visa, and my H-1B has been approved (with the same employer). The H-1 was applied for as an initial petition. I'm going to get the H-1 stamp on December 18th this year. I'll be coming back to the states then after January 1st.
Are there any issues with a new sponsor filing to a H-1B transfer straight away after I come back? I will have pay slips with my current company, but they will mostly be from when I was on an L-1 visa. Is this an issue with this? Or is there anything else I would need to be concerned with?
Thanks in advance.
Are there any issues with a new sponsor filing to a H-1B transfer straight away after I come back? I will have pay slips with my current company, but they will mostly be from when I was on an L-1 visa. Is this an issue with this? Or is there anything else I would need to be concerned with?
Thanks in advance.
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