Gravitation
06-01 10:11 PM
yes, i do understand that. I still donot understand why fly into a "thunderstorm"!
Pressure from airlines to keep schedule and minimize fuel expense in the form of performance review/rewards/bonuses. Strong captains can resists but the pressure is constant. Not much unlike Health care companies that reward primary physicians that give minimal referrals to specialists. Such doctors are rewarded with free lavish vacation.
Pressure from airlines to keep schedule and minimize fuel expense in the form of performance review/rewards/bonuses. Strong captains can resists but the pressure is constant. Not much unlike Health care companies that reward primary physicians that give minimal referrals to specialists. Such doctors are rewarded with free lavish vacation.
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485Mbe4001
07-19 12:24 PM
:) i understand your point and agree a bit, but gandhi wasnt into programming, he would have been sucessful no matter where he went. He had a unique vision, personality etc. we are average people with school going kids (try asking a 10 year old to learn 2 new languages all of a sudden and pass that subject in class) trying to establish ourselves somewhere. i mean if we have to go back we will and we will adjust and succeed.
the only thing that holds us back is...do we want to give up after waiting so long (8yrs in my case) and once we leave, we have effectively lost our position in the GC line...sort of no turning back.
I am in my late 20's and am going to finish my 7th year next month...you decide how many feet of water I am in..:rolleyes: Meanwhile I totally understand your argument that the situation is the most frustrating for people who have been here the longest. I'd say sharpen you swimming skills and then it wouldn't matter how deep the water is or how tall you are....I's say stick with it and endure hardship if you value the end result (GC ofcourse). Even if you decide to go back...whatever your age/experience be...never forget its never too late..Gandhi was 46 years old when he returned to India from SA after spending 22 years there..Still wasn't too late for him to start a revolution now... or was it ?:)
May be you might also want to change your handle...GCby3000 doesn't sound that optimistic
the only thing that holds us back is...do we want to give up after waiting so long (8yrs in my case) and once we leave, we have effectively lost our position in the GC line...sort of no turning back.
I am in my late 20's and am going to finish my 7th year next month...you decide how many feet of water I am in..:rolleyes: Meanwhile I totally understand your argument that the situation is the most frustrating for people who have been here the longest. I'd say sharpen you swimming skills and then it wouldn't matter how deep the water is or how tall you are....I's say stick with it and endure hardship if you value the end result (GC ofcourse). Even if you decide to go back...whatever your age/experience be...never forget its never too late..Gandhi was 46 years old when he returned to India from SA after spending 22 years there..Still wasn't too late for him to start a revolution now... or was it ?:)
May be you might also want to change your handle...GCby3000 doesn't sound that optimistic
Leo07
11-14 09:14 PM
Major reform is "not viable in this Congress," added Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-San Jose, chairwoman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration. (http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_7437469)
There is also opposition to consider piecemeal options which treat legal immigration reform separately.
I am generally a very optimistic person but not seeing whats really viable this year.
I understand that IV is looking into other angles as well. Once again not sure.
Can IV core comment about what our realistic chances are?
Please dont answer "Join your state chapters". I am already a state chapter member.
I don't think it's possible to comment on 'realistic' chances...compred to 2008 there will be better rewards for the same amount of effort.
Because it is a election year people/politicians will focus more on "popular" bills that will draw real voters. Now they are still in 'fund raising' mode and they may have to budge a bit for the corporation monies...
To be honest with you, No matter what the chances are what the IV core will comment on this issue, it's for us to think whether there is a better option than 'not acting now'?
There is also opposition to consider piecemeal options which treat legal immigration reform separately.
I am generally a very optimistic person but not seeing whats really viable this year.
I understand that IV is looking into other angles as well. Once again not sure.
Can IV core comment about what our realistic chances are?
Please dont answer "Join your state chapters". I am already a state chapter member.
I don't think it's possible to comment on 'realistic' chances...compred to 2008 there will be better rewards for the same amount of effort.
Because it is a election year people/politicians will focus more on "popular" bills that will draw real voters. Now they are still in 'fund raising' mode and they may have to budge a bit for the corporation monies...
To be honest with you, No matter what the chances are what the IV core will comment on this issue, it's for us to think whether there is a better option than 'not acting now'?
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raju123
02-13 11:59 AM
It looks very funny after reading anands23's post. IV leaders are volunteers. They are not highly paid CEO and directors of IV Inc. !!
Come on Mr. anand come and join IV leadership and change the immigration law. For God sack, don't post this kind of immature posts.
I think this guy is from numbers usa for sure. After writing all the BS, he asks it to take it in constructive way. There are lots of other way to express your concern if it had to taken in constructive way. This is definitely not the way.
Based on your comments I could see that you are a regular visitor (FREE RIDER ATTITUDE) to IV site for more than a year. We had several threads crying out for funds in very critical time senstive times. At those times you are a mere spectator and now just for posting this bashing post you reluctantly became a anonymous member. All these shows your LEADERSHIP skills and quality of leading the battle from FRONT. If I were in USCIS I would do a background check on these high qualities and ground breaking positive attitudes even before giving H1.
Come on Mr. anand come and join IV leadership and change the immigration law. For God sack, don't post this kind of immature posts.
I think this guy is from numbers usa for sure. After writing all the BS, he asks it to take it in constructive way. There are lots of other way to express your concern if it had to taken in constructive way. This is definitely not the way.
Based on your comments I could see that you are a regular visitor (FREE RIDER ATTITUDE) to IV site for more than a year. We had several threads crying out for funds in very critical time senstive times. At those times you are a mere spectator and now just for posting this bashing post you reluctantly became a anonymous member. All these shows your LEADERSHIP skills and quality of leading the battle from FRONT. If I were in USCIS I would do a background check on these high qualities and ground breaking positive attitudes even before giving H1.
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pointlesswait
07-01 09:47 AM
Dude, i think you will end up in more mess..once they realise and revoke your 485!
if i were you i would check with my attorney promto before uncorking the bottle..;-)..
njoy!
if i were you i would check with my attorney promto before uncorking the bottle..;-)..
njoy!
nmdial
07-22 02:57 PM
I never knew Hindi is a local language in US:D Moreover I dont have anything against Hindi or any other language. Its the personal experience with people on more than one occasion.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
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05-01 03:13 PM
Just made a $100 contribution. Receipt ID: 5GJ663284A268972P.
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kedrex
04-10 11:34 AM
Iam sorry to say that i could not navigate to certain forum postings and IV did not communicate that these are not availabe for Non - Donors.... Why this caste system?
"I am not blaming the Core at all, they are doing whateven they can given the limited resources, time and influence they have. But, what I am blaming, is the the "holier than thou" attitude which is adopted when distinguishing between those that are the exalted DONORS and those that aren't "
This is the most ridiculous thing ever and just goes on to show why Sanju calls these people educated illiterates. Dont you have any reasoning, analytical skills - this is like the helpdesk people who know that 2+2=4 but not that 1+3=4 because no one told them so.
Donor system is like caste system, REALLY!!! Let me make it simple for your educated brain....Caste system was something that you were born into and could not change by paying money or anything else and then you were discriminated based on that....the absolute worst thing. Donor only forums are like premium content....no one is saying that you cannot look at it because you were born into something,....if you wanna see it, show me the money!
Sanju, I have seen many posts by you and although they might seem harst, its just a frustration at the desi mentality. I just hope you keep your cool and peace of mind and done mind these trollers who have nothing better to do.
To the starter of this thread and all those who think IV is closed to new ideas or dissenters....you need to learn how to put your different ideas across and criticizing contructively. Something offensive like "King has no clothes"....are you freakking kidding me....there are no Mahatma Gandhi's here to turn the other cheek.
"I am not blaming the Core at all, they are doing whateven they can given the limited resources, time and influence they have. But, what I am blaming, is the the "holier than thou" attitude which is adopted when distinguishing between those that are the exalted DONORS and those that aren't "
This is the most ridiculous thing ever and just goes on to show why Sanju calls these people educated illiterates. Dont you have any reasoning, analytical skills - this is like the helpdesk people who know that 2+2=4 but not that 1+3=4 because no one told them so.
Donor system is like caste system, REALLY!!! Let me make it simple for your educated brain....Caste system was something that you were born into and could not change by paying money or anything else and then you were discriminated based on that....the absolute worst thing. Donor only forums are like premium content....no one is saying that you cannot look at it because you were born into something,....if you wanna see it, show me the money!
Sanju, I have seen many posts by you and although they might seem harst, its just a frustration at the desi mentality. I just hope you keep your cool and peace of mind and done mind these trollers who have nothing better to do.
To the starter of this thread and all those who think IV is closed to new ideas or dissenters....you need to learn how to put your different ideas across and criticizing contructively. Something offensive like "King has no clothes"....are you freakking kidding me....there are no Mahatma Gandhi's here to turn the other cheek.
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thepaew
05-30 09:32 AM
I don't like getting my ass kicked. Hence, I refuse to fly Air India.
Last time I flew that Airline (Boston - Heathrow - Mumbai):
1. The crew disembarked at Heathrow. The transit passengers were not allowed to disembark.
2. The crew shut off the heat/power and opened the Aircraft doors (yes, it was winter).
3. They sent the cleaning staff in to clean/vaccum the plane with a lot of passengers seated.
4. At Mumbai, the airhostess was in some sort of a hurry shoving the passengers so that she could disembark first.
I've never had such experiences with AF. They are not racist. Airlines are not allowed to issue transit visas and anyone who has lived in France can tell you how insensitive and lazy their bureaucracy is.
Bad flying experiences do not equate to racism. It is strong word to use and I do not think it applies to this case. Yes, I have seen French show racism towards Africans, but this is not one such case.
There is a reason why Indians are required to take a transit visa. Coz, in the past there have been Indians (at EU airports) who have claimed that they have lost their memory, do not remember who they are, don't have any ID and hence qualify for asylum on medical grounds. Now these gov'ts are requiring ALL Indians to have a transit visa so that if anyone pulls such antics, they have all the information that they need to identify the individual and deport. Some bad apples have f&^%ed it up for all of us.
BR
i'll take this as a joke.
comments like these only shows our attitude of "i like to get my a$$ kicked. Please feel free to take a dig"
on a serious note, you know that you have other choices right????
Last time I flew that Airline (Boston - Heathrow - Mumbai):
1. The crew disembarked at Heathrow. The transit passengers were not allowed to disembark.
2. The crew shut off the heat/power and opened the Aircraft doors (yes, it was winter).
3. They sent the cleaning staff in to clean/vaccum the plane with a lot of passengers seated.
4. At Mumbai, the airhostess was in some sort of a hurry shoving the passengers so that she could disembark first.
I've never had such experiences with AF. They are not racist. Airlines are not allowed to issue transit visas and anyone who has lived in France can tell you how insensitive and lazy their bureaucracy is.
Bad flying experiences do not equate to racism. It is strong word to use and I do not think it applies to this case. Yes, I have seen French show racism towards Africans, but this is not one such case.
There is a reason why Indians are required to take a transit visa. Coz, in the past there have been Indians (at EU airports) who have claimed that they have lost their memory, do not remember who they are, don't have any ID and hence qualify for asylum on medical grounds. Now these gov'ts are requiring ALL Indians to have a transit visa so that if anyone pulls such antics, they have all the information that they need to identify the individual and deport. Some bad apples have f&^%ed it up for all of us.
BR
i'll take this as a joke.
comments like these only shows our attitude of "i like to get my a$$ kicked. Please feel free to take a dig"
on a serious note, you know that you have other choices right????
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alterego
09-22 12:02 PM
All that is being said is very true. Petitioning the US gov't is as American as apple pie. As aspiring Americans we can only be respected for this, if we do it politely and peacefully.
People who put in a herculean effort (not to be underestimated by anyone here) to organize the rally and surrounding activities, broke their backs trying to lay a platform for the rest of us to communicate our case. It is only natural that when they get the lamest of lame excuses, they feel upset.
Every one of us has skin in this game. We need to find some way to lend our weight to this issue rather than just passing time on this or other websites. It is really unclear to me why in America, the most free society on the face of the earth, people feel unmotivated, inert, insecure etc to press what is a most legitimate grouse.
Let me give you a few points that might convince you in this issue. For most of us:
1) We are here at the behest of our employers or the US Gov't (NIW cases). Not on our own accord or illegitimately.
2) The US gov't has certified that our jobs do not have suitably qualified americans to take them.
3) The US Gov't has approved our immigrant petitions.
4) We are in a period of inordinate delay to complete the steps due to a variety of factors, including bureaucratic delays, inordinately long security checks(BTW bad for both us and the country) and an inadequate supply of visa numbers for the number of approved petitions.
5) We are asking the US Gov't to fix this issue and treat us fairly and not make us wait 6-10 yrs for no clear reason.
6) We are asking them to be more straightforward in their policy and to stop sending mixed signals.
Above all we are doing it in the most American of ways. Peacefully petitioning and lobbying the government. Most broad minded Americans can and do relate to this.
People who put in a herculean effort (not to be underestimated by anyone here) to organize the rally and surrounding activities, broke their backs trying to lay a platform for the rest of us to communicate our case. It is only natural that when they get the lamest of lame excuses, they feel upset.
Every one of us has skin in this game. We need to find some way to lend our weight to this issue rather than just passing time on this or other websites. It is really unclear to me why in America, the most free society on the face of the earth, people feel unmotivated, inert, insecure etc to press what is a most legitimate grouse.
Let me give you a few points that might convince you in this issue. For most of us:
1) We are here at the behest of our employers or the US Gov't (NIW cases). Not on our own accord or illegitimately.
2) The US gov't has certified that our jobs do not have suitably qualified americans to take them.
3) The US Gov't has approved our immigrant petitions.
4) We are in a period of inordinate delay to complete the steps due to a variety of factors, including bureaucratic delays, inordinately long security checks(BTW bad for both us and the country) and an inadequate supply of visa numbers for the number of approved petitions.
5) We are asking the US Gov't to fix this issue and treat us fairly and not make us wait 6-10 yrs for no clear reason.
6) We are asking them to be more straightforward in their policy and to stop sending mixed signals.
Above all we are doing it in the most American of ways. Peacefully petitioning and lobbying the government. Most broad minded Americans can and do relate to this.
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nmdial
07-22 02:57 PM
I never knew Hindi is a local language in US:D Moreover I dont have anything against Hindi or any other language. Its the personal experience with people on more than one occasion.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
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mirage
06-26 10:36 AM
5. (c)(9) or (c)(16) adjustment applicant who filed for adjustment under the fee structure implemented July 30, 2007
What this mean is if you filed your 485 before July'30-2007 EAD will never be free for you...
Gurus,Is the above said true..please clarify...as it saves everyone who file renewals in 09 (esp. folks missed boat for 2 yr EAD)..
What this mean is if you filed your 485 before July'30-2007 EAD will never be free for you...
Gurus,Is the above said true..please clarify...as it saves everyone who file renewals in 09 (esp. folks missed boat for 2 yr EAD)..
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06-30 06:23 PM
congress moves closer to joint - house conference committee on immigration
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ganguteli
04-10 03:21 PM
Chanakya,
You are totally naked on this thread. People have stripped you and opened your cupboard. I cannot imagine how shameless some people are.
You are totally naked on this thread. People have stripped you and opened your cupboard. I cannot imagine how shameless some people are.
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msyedy
05-30 09:53 PM
I hope this amendment will pass as it was proposed by important senators like, Chairman of Judiciary committee Mr Leahy, Mr Cornyn, Mr Hatch. This alters the equation completely. If it passes, the total EB & Merit based visas are 387,000. The total EB visas as per old system will be 230K.
Merit based system: 247K (147 for newly created point based +90 K to clear backlogs)
Employer Sponsored System (as per amendment) = 140K
Therefore 230K is available as per old EB system. Apart from that, most of the EB1 and EB2 guys and the dependents of EB visa holders will be exempted from numerical limitations. This is the proposal we should support.
So you mean to say that 230K will be for backlog/year and the people who already filed in the old system will also be exempt from the cap if they belong to certain EB1 and EB2.
If the above is true then we should be in good shape as % per eb category is increased and masters exempt.
Merit based system: 247K (147 for newly created point based +90 K to clear backlogs)
Employer Sponsored System (as per amendment) = 140K
Therefore 230K is available as per old EB system. Apart from that, most of the EB1 and EB2 guys and the dependents of EB visa holders will be exempted from numerical limitations. This is the proposal we should support.
So you mean to say that 230K will be for backlog/year and the people who already filed in the old system will also be exempt from the cap if they belong to certain EB1 and EB2.
If the above is true then we should be in good shape as % per eb category is increased and masters exempt.
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gapala
03-20 10:16 PM
gapala -
You are mixing apples and oranges.
Visa Portability (as per AC-21) allows one to start employment after filing for H-1B petition, before H-1B petition os approved. only if he already has a approved H1b from other sponsor
H-1B Transfer does not invalidate current employment status (if on H-1B status) and beneficiary can continue working for original Employer A based on that I-797 validity dates. (status remains same due to transfer... but the question is whether some one can work for a non sponsor? My take is NO.)
OP needs to explain to USCIS that he never switched jobs on new H-1B approval and continued job on the basis of original I-797 dates. He was not out of status.
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Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
see in red.
Desi, with due respect, I have to clarify this, I am not talking about H1B status here I am talking about "unauthorized work" part upon change of sponsor.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
Visa Portability (as per AC-21) allows one to start employment after filing for H-1B petition, before H-1B petition os approved. only if he already has a approved H1b from other sponsor
H-1B Transfer does not invalidate current employment status (if on H-1B status) and beneficiary can continue working for original Employer A based on that I-797 validity dates. (status remains same due to transfer... but the question is whether some one can work for a non sponsor? My take is NO.)
OP needs to explain to USCIS that he never switched jobs on new H-1B approval and continued job on the basis of original I-797 dates. He was not out of status.
_______________________
Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
see in red.
Desi, with due respect, I have to clarify this, I am not talking about H1B status here I am talking about "unauthorized work" part upon change of sponsor.
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eb3_nepa
03-17 10:15 PM
I think I-485 filing clause is needed. Please note that the USCIS is not staffed enough. So there is a high possibility that the priority date retrogression will continue even if all the current provisions included in the Frist bill is passed. They will retain the retrogression in order to control the number of applications. In such a scenario, it is important for us to try and introduce the I-485 clause, so that people could get their EAD while they wait for USCIS to clear the mess. My 2 cents.
This actually CUD very well happen. It may be good for IV to consider that.
This actually CUD very well happen. It may be good for IV to consider that.
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Jaime
09-04 02:31 PM
Very good. If I can go, I am sure you can go too. If I can afford to buy some plane tickets, you can too. If I can take a day off, you can do it too. This little time and money is nothing compared to your next few visits to your attorney's office when is time to renew that I am sure you're tired of doing.
I want to do it for my family, you do it for your family and then educate somebody else so they can go too. Next thing you know, we'll be a lot and we'll be heard.
If you don't go to D.C. you'll feel bad when you see that we succeeded and you did nothing about it!!!! just taking a "free ride" All of us are enjoying the results from the flower campaign and the S.J. rally. So we know we can do it again.
When you get your GC faster than expected, you'll feel so guilty.
We'll be there, I want to be proud that I did my part!!!!!
Thank you guys!!!
Thanks man! Great attitude!
Think about it, everyone can make it! We have already prevailed against so many odds! (The first of which was to get a job in the U.S. with so much worldwide competition for our positions). If people really want something they will do it! The key is to convince yourself that you want to go to the rally because you think it will be useful to you! (Trust me, it will, but you need to convince yourself! At least TRY!!!!) We can do this!!!
I want to do it for my family, you do it for your family and then educate somebody else so they can go too. Next thing you know, we'll be a lot and we'll be heard.
If you don't go to D.C. you'll feel bad when you see that we succeeded and you did nothing about it!!!! just taking a "free ride" All of us are enjoying the results from the flower campaign and the S.J. rally. So we know we can do it again.
When you get your GC faster than expected, you'll feel so guilty.
We'll be there, I want to be proud that I did my part!!!!!
Thank you guys!!!
Thanks man! Great attitude!
Think about it, everyone can make it! We have already prevailed against so many odds! (The first of which was to get a job in the U.S. with so much worldwide competition for our positions). If people really want something they will do it! The key is to convince yourself that you want to go to the rally because you think it will be useful to you! (Trust me, it will, but you need to convince yourself! At least TRY!!!!) We can do this!!!
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jasmin45
07-21 07:32 PM
I understand that it might be late and filing a case might be expensive etc. But how come people like murthy.com etc. were willing to fight the sudden revoking of I-485 by UCIS along with AILF? It will only be hypocritical to consider that as injustice and this as not. I don't think filing a case is going to bring the whole process to a halt. The BEC will still continue to process the cases while this case goes on.
We have to do away with all those naysayers and all those IFs and BUTs. I don't belive in it.
We know we have a justified case here and it is a simple matter of whether we are willing to fight.
Why can't we get the support of AILF for this or other law firms? I know there are enough people who have been affected to justify that.
Nothing against you guys.. we totally understand your pain.. Labor is an application by your employer.. and they will have to be the paintiff not one of us as an individual. Where as 485 is an application by Individual for AOS. So Individual can be a paintiff and thats the reason why I believe ALIF was planning to move forward with class action..had uscis not reversed their decision.
I myself had a PD of 02 but my employer decided to drop classic labor to file again using PERM in 05.
We have to do away with all those naysayers and all those IFs and BUTs. I don't belive in it.
We know we have a justified case here and it is a simple matter of whether we are willing to fight.
Why can't we get the support of AILF for this or other law firms? I know there are enough people who have been affected to justify that.
Nothing against you guys.. we totally understand your pain.. Labor is an application by your employer.. and they will have to be the paintiff not one of us as an individual. Where as 485 is an application by Individual for AOS. So Individual can be a paintiff and thats the reason why I believe ALIF was planning to move forward with class action..had uscis not reversed their decision.
I myself had a PD of 02 but my employer decided to drop classic labor to file again using PERM in 05.
Tito_ortiz
02-13 12:27 PM
Folks, let's not be judgmental please. Constructive critics should be a good thing.
I think this guy is from numbers usa for sure. After writing all the BS, he asks it to take it in constructive way. There are lots of other way to express your concern if it had to taken in constructive way. This is definitely not the way.
Based on your comments I could see that you are a regular visitor (FREE RIDER ATTITUDE) to IV site for more than a year. We had several threads crying out for funds in very critical time senstive times. At those times you are a mere spectator and now just for posting this bashing post you reluctantly became a anonymous member. All these shows your LEADERSHIP skills and quality of leading the battle from FRONT. If I were in USCIS I would do a background check on these high qualities and ground breaking positive attitudes even before giving H1.
I think this guy is from numbers usa for sure. After writing all the BS, he asks it to take it in constructive way. There are lots of other way to express your concern if it had to taken in constructive way. This is definitely not the way.
Based on your comments I could see that you are a regular visitor (FREE RIDER ATTITUDE) to IV site for more than a year. We had several threads crying out for funds in very critical time senstive times. At those times you are a mere spectator and now just for posting this bashing post you reluctantly became a anonymous member. All these shows your LEADERSHIP skills and quality of leading the battle from FRONT. If I were in USCIS I would do a background check on these high qualities and ground breaking positive attitudes even before giving H1.
satishku_2000
07-06 12:29 AM
Well I filed under Rest of World" and EB2 back in August of 2006 when it was current for me (it�s always been current for me since then). I filed both my I-140 and I-485 together. I have done the fingerprinting etc and even replied to a RFE for my I-140 (well my company did). On June 1st I got my company to submit an "out of processing time" request which gives USCIS 45 days to come back with a decision or reason for not approving it. Now after all this fiasco my lawyer is telling me that my I-140 will continue as per usual (since it's not affected by all this) but my I-485 will not be approved until after October 1st. I don't agree with him, I believe part of the 60,000 visa numbers have been allocated to those that are pending and current (so they haven't been approved but have already been allocated). Does anyone agree or disagree?
Under normal scenario you have to wait until your 140 gets approved But during the past 12 days they could have approved your 140 just to approve your 485 tooo.. Keep checking your mail box every day and good luck;;;;:D :D :D
Under normal scenario you have to wait until your 140 gets approved But during the past 12 days they could have approved your 140 just to approve your 485 tooo.. Keep checking your mail box every day and good luck;;;;:D :D :D
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